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><channel><title>R3R Internet Marketing &#38; Consulting - San Francisco &#187; india</title> <atom:link href="http://r3r.com/blog/topics/india/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://r3r.com</link> <description>Internet Marketing, Optimization, and Integration</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:00:46 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator> <item><title>Virtual Assistants: Get Friday Review: Losing Their Edge</title><link>http://r3r.com/blog/2008/virtual-assistants-get-friday-review/</link> <comments>http://r3r.com/blog/2008/virtual-assistants-get-friday-review/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jeremy Reither</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Promote]]></category> <category><![CDATA[get friday]]></category> <category><![CDATA[india]]></category> <category><![CDATA[outsourcing]]></category> <category><![CDATA[virtual assistants]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.reitherco.com/2008/03/17/virtual-assistants-get-friday-review/</guid> <description><![CDATA[Right around the same time I signed up for my Brickwork India Virtual Assistant, I registered with Get Friday, too. I wanted to work with the two big name Virtual Assistant (VA) firms simultaneously, so I could compare apples to apples. But if you&#8217;ll read my Virtual Assistant Firm Reviews (including this one), you&#8217;ll see [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right around the same time I signed up for <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/12/virtual-assistants-brickwork-india-review/#more-121">my Brickwork India Virtual Assistant</a>, I registered with <a
href="https://getfriday.com/index.php" target="_blank">Get Friday</a>, too. I wanted to work with the two big name Virtual Assistant (VA) firms simultaneously, so I could compare apples to apples. But if you&#8217;ll read my <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/11/reviews-of-virtual-assistant-firms-and-other-resources-for-outsourcing/">Virtual Assistant Firm Reviews</a> (including this one), you&#8217;ll see the results vary widely. As I mentioned in my &#8216;<a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/07/virtual-assistants-show-promise-but-in-practice-theyre-hit-and-miss/">VA&#8217;™s &#8211; Hit and Miss</a>&#8216; post, it&#8217;s not always all it&#8217;s cracked up to be. With that in mind, below is a summary of my experience with <strong><em>two </em></strong>Get Friday VA&#8217;s from October, 2007 to February, 2008:<span
id="more-122"></span></p><p><strong>Cost:</strong> $15/hr plus $10/month administrative for &#8220;<a
href="https://getfriday.com/payasyougo.htm" target="_blank">pay as you go</a>&#8221; plan (price breaks to as low as $7/hr for 160 hours/month plan)</p><p><strong>The Sign-up Process:</strong> After reading The 4-Hour Workweek (<a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2007/12/05/the-4-hour-workweek-full-of-hype-or-is-there-hope/">review</a>) Get Friday was the second VA firm I contacted (after <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/12/virtual-assistants-brickwork-india-review/">Brickwork India</a>). Or maybe I could say it was the third firm, since I actually contacted their parent company (<a
href="http://www.yourmaninindia.com/" target="_blank">Your Man in India</a>) first &#8211; only to find out they had recently spun off Get Friday. Just like Brickwork, these guys took a long time to get back to me after my initial application &#8211; about a week.<img
title="get-friday_logo.gif" src="http://www.r3r.com/wp-content/uploads/get-friday_logo.gif" border="2" alt="get-friday_logo.gif" hspace="3" vspace="3" width="204" height="58" align="right" /></p><p>After their initial response we had several back and forth communications regarding the type of work I needed done. After I told them I needed a VA who could do internet research, prepare PowerPoint slideshows, and update content on one of my websites (using a point-and-click content management system (CMS)), they straight up told me that they couldn&#8217;t help me. They didn&#8217;t offer a more experienced VA, they didn&#8217;t tell me which tasks were &#8220;un-doable.&#8221; They just said &#8220;sorry.&#8221;</p><p>I could have left it at that and moved on &#8211; and I&#8217;m sure some people would have. But I was curious about which tasks were outside of their comfort zone. So, I modified my list of requirements &#8211; this time excluding the CMS updates. And whaddaya know? Everything was suddenly cool. I signed the contract, and was assigned my first VA.</p><p><strong>Payments / Billing:</strong> Fortunately Get Friday takes credit cards (Brickwork does not), and they just bill you automatically at the end of each period. Because I bought the &#8220;Pay as You Go&#8221; plan, Get Friday also did a decent job of sending weekly spreadsheets with details about how much my VA spent on my tasks. I asked my VA to add some detail to his weekly spreadsheets (explaining <em>which </em>tasks he was working on), and he obliged. Nice.</p><p><strong>VA Talent:</strong> If I was evaluating &#8220;VA friendliness,&#8221; then Get Friday would get high marks. Everyone I dealt with at Get Friday was extremely friendly. Especially my VA&#8217;s. I say VA&#8217;s (plural), though, because I burned through two of them pretty quickly. The quality of work was sorely lacking &#8211; from both of them. Simple research tasks, like finding and then copying and pasting data from the web into large Excel spreadsheets, was done well enough (although there were revisions required on every task).</p><p>But as soon as I assigned a task of creating a PowerPoint presentation, there was chaos. I gave a broad explanation and a simple objective for the presentation at first, but quickly realized that giving the Get Friday VA any creative freedom was a bad idea. I was shown a junior high school level PowerPoint presentation with unformatted graphics, mismatching alignment from slide to slide, random font size and style, and a general lack of continuity. Over the course of about a week (10-20 hours of work on the part of the VA; 2-5 hours of my own time), the VA created absolutely nothing of use. I had to scrap the work and ask the supervisor for a new VA. On a positive note, the VA was transitioned fairly quickly and smoothly, and my <em>new </em>VA said he had intimate knowledge of the subject to be presented in the PowerPoint slideshow. Unfortunately I soon saw that his work quality was barely any better. After breaking the task into smaller steps (starting with the creation an outline for the presentation), we were still unable to make any progress. I ultimately decided that working with Get Friday was costing me far too much (time and money). I cancelled my account after 4 months.</p><p><strong>Communications:</strong> Responsiveness of my VA was also very poor. I&#8217;m sure this was partly because I had the &#8220;Pay as You Go&#8221; plan, and my VA&#8217;s were busy with other clients. But a couple times I had to get a supervisor involved, to light a fire under the VA and get him to respond to me. Generally supervisors responded comparatively quickly (within 1 business day). Grasp of the English language, on the other hand, was universally weak. Compared to my communications with Brickwork, it was difficult to communicate with my Get Friday VA&#8217;s.</p><p><strong>Work Schedule:</strong> Because my Get Friday VA&#8217;s worked during my business hours (their nights) they were available to assign work to during the day &#8211; and I was available to answer questions during their work day. However, because I was also using a VA from Brickwork at the same time, I found I was spending too much time managing (assigning and checking) work throughout the day (for Get Friday) and in the evening (for Brickwork). I have to imagine that if my day-working VA was more competent than my evening-working VA, I would appreciate the day-work schedule. But since my day-working VA (Get Friday) required such hand-holding, and I didn&#8217;t enjoy working with him, I actually came to appreciate the evening work schedule, where I assign work in the evening and wake up in the morning to review progress updates.</p><p><strong>Overall Rating: </strong>2 out of 5</p><p>My Get Friday VA&#8217;s performed some tasks to satisfaction (basic research and spreadsheet creation), but I found that tasks of any higher level of complexity or requiring any creativity were executed very poorly. I asked for a replacement VA, but my 2nd Get Friday VA wasn&#8217;t any better than my first. So, I cancelled my account after 4 months.</p><p><strong>Also see: </strong><a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/11/reviews-of-virtual-assistant-firms-and-other-resources-for-outsourcing/">other Virtual Assistant Firm Reviews</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://r3r.com/blog/2008/virtual-assistants-get-friday-review/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>8</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Review of Brickwork India Virtual Assistants: Room for Improvement, but Leading the Pack</title><link>http://r3r.com/blog/2008/virtual-assistants-brickwork-india-review/</link> <comments>http://r3r.com/blog/2008/virtual-assistants-brickwork-india-review/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Jeremy Reither</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[Promote]]></category> <category><![CDATA[brickwork]]></category> <category><![CDATA[four hour workweek]]></category> <category><![CDATA[india]]></category> <category><![CDATA[outsourcing]]></category> <category><![CDATA[virtual assistants]]></category><guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.reitherco.com/2008/03/12/virtual-assistants-brickwork-india-review/</guid> <description><![CDATA[Like a lot of people who have read The 4-Hour Workweek (review), right when I finished it I told myself &#8220;I have got to get a virtual assistant.&#8221; I imagined all kinds of time consuming tasks that I could get off my plate. But offloading tasks to VA&#8217;s comes with its own set of challenges [...]]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img
title="brickwork_india_logo.gif" src="http://www.r3r.com/wp-content/uploads/brickwork_india_logo.gif" border="2" alt="brickwork_india_logo.gif" hspace="3" vspace="3" width="307" height="77" align="right" />Like a lot of people who have read The 4-Hour Workweek (<a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2007/12/05/the-4-hour-workweek-full-of-hype-or-is-there-hope/">review</a>), right when I finished it I told myself &#8220;I have <em>got</em> to get a virtual assistant.&#8221; I imagined all kinds of time consuming tasks that I could get off my plate. But offloading tasks to VA&#8217;s comes with its own set of challenges (I&#8217;ve covered some of them in my &#8220;<a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/07/virtual-assistants-show-promise-but-in-practice-theyre-hit-and-miss/">VA&#8217;s &#8211; Hit and Miss</a>&#8221; post). Now it&#8217;s time to get specific &#8211; so <em>this </em>post is all about my experience with <a
href="http://www.brickworkindia.com/" target="_blank">Brickwork India</a> from October, 2007 to now:<span
id="more-121"></span></p><p>I signed up for Brickwork&#8217;s &#8216;<strong>Basic Services&#8217;</strong> package, which according to <a
href="http://brickworkindia.com/services.html" target="_blank">their services page</a> covers services like: &#8220;<em>Assistance in MS Office and Other tasks, Internet Search, Bookkeeping and Accounting, Assistance in MS Outlook tasks, Sales And Marketing Support, Remote Desktop Management, Travel Assistance, Assistance in HR / Personnal tasks</em>.&#8221; Note that this doesn&#8217;t mean that your VA will have all of the skills listed; nor is it an exhaustive list of the tasks that can be performed by your &#8216;Basic Services&#8217; VA. It just means that if you want to hire a VA for any of those types of tasks, it falls under their &#8216;Basic Services&#8217; package.</p><p><strong>Cost: </strong>$15/hr (price break for 40 hours/week: $12.50/hr)</p><p><strong>The Sign-up Process:</strong> Due to the popularity of VA services these days, when I initially contacted Brickwork via their website, I got a &#8220;Thanks, but we&#8217;re slammed. We&#8217;ll get back to you in a week or two&#8230;&#8221; type note (that&#8217;s not the exact wording, but you get the idea). I half expected not to hear back, but about a week and a half later I got a response. They contacted me with requests for information about the type of work I needed done, some forms they needed me to fill out, and a bunch of other red tape. It was a bit of a slow and clunky process.</p><p><strong>Payments / Billing: </strong>Overall the billing and payment process is fairly painless. One drawback is that Brickwork doesn&#8217;t take <a
href="http://www.creditloan.com/credit-cards/">credit cards</a>. They suggest wire transfer as their preferred method of payment, but I don&#8217;t like wire transfers for several reasons: (1) they&#8217;re not protected against fraud like credit card transactions are; (2) I have to go to my local bank branch to initiate and authorize the transfer &#8211; every time, and (3) my bank (Wells Fargo) charges me about $30-40 per wire transfer. So, I asked Brickwork if they could accept PayPal &#8211; and I was told they could. The weird thing is that they had to re-issue the invoice (to include a PayPal fee (PayPal charges a percentage fee, which Brickwork adds on to their total bill, so I pay the fee)), and that invoice re-issue took a couple days. That PayPal fee is about the same as the wire transfer fee, but I don&#8217;t have to go into a bank to initiate payment &#8211; and I can use my credit card. I&#8217;d like to have the payment automatically deducted from my credit card, but this works I guess.</p><p><strong>Task Tracking: </strong>The monthly invoices they send me just consist of a total amount due for the month. This is because I&#8217;ve signed up for a flat number of hours to be billed per month&#8230;so I can certainly understand why they do it that way. But it would be really nice to be able to &#8211; just like any other service bill &#8211; see an itemized breakdown of what work was performed during the billing period. With my current VA this isn&#8217;t a big deal, but if I had an under-performing VA, I&#8217;d definitely like to cross-check how many hours were being spent on each task. <strong>Update (6/30/2008):</strong> I created a time tracking spreadsheet in <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/blog/2008/06/25/online-spreadsheet-collaboration-tools-winner/">eXpresso</a> (<strong>update: </strong>I have since switched to <a
title="Google Docs" href="http://docs.google.com/" target="_blank">Google Docs</a> (see a <a
title="Sample Time Tracking Sheet in Google Docs" href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tA9JbBGKzNNN8mUc5jwyJyQ" target="_blank">sample time tracking worksheet</a>)) and my VA now updates this sheet daily with tasks worked. The spreadsheet is online, so we don&#8217;t have to e-mail it back and forth. Depending on your needs, you could also use a light project management tool like <a
href="http://www.basecamphq.com/?referrer=JEREMYREITHER">Basecamp</a> (<a
href="http://r3r.com/blog/2008/basic-project-management-tools-zoho-projects-vs-basecamp/">or Zoho Projects</a>).</p><p><strong>Use it or Lose it: </strong>A &#8220;have your cake and eat it too&#8221; request for Brickwork would be for them to offer a package that allows customers to pay only for the hours they use. As it is you have to commit to a number of hours of work per month, just like a regular employee. If you buy the 40 hour/month package, and you only provide enough work to keep your VA busy for 20 hours &#8211; well, you still pay for the full 40. Use it or lose it.</p><p>Aside from these wish list items the payment communications are reliable and they&#8217;re reasonably responsive to related queries.</p><p><strong>VA Talent</strong>:<strong> </strong><span
style="text-decoration: line-through;">I have been fortunate with my Brickwork VA. Brickwork is the only Virtual Assistant firm where the first VA I was assigned is the one I still work with today (with </span><a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/11/reviews-of-virtual-assistant-firms-and-other-resources-for-outsourcing/"><span
style="text-decoration: line-through;">other firms I&#8217;ve worked with</span></a><span
style="text-decoration: line-through;"> I&#8217;ve had to ask for replacements)</span>. <strong>Update (6/30/08):</strong> My first Brickwork Virtual Assistant was eager to learn, and took pride in her work. However, she left the company, and I was assigned a new VA. Fortunately the transition process was pretty smooth &#8211; and I think that&#8217;s where Brickwork earns it&#8217;s keep &#8211; but my new VA, unfortunately doesn&#8217;t quite fill the shoes of his predecessor. He does good work in some instances, but frequently needs reminders and all of his work has to be checked. <strong>Update (9/1/2008):</strong> My second Brickwork VA just couldn&#8217;t hack it. His task results were constantly sub-par, he needed frequent reminders, he was slow to complete his work, he was an &#8220;under-communicator&#8221;, and I didn&#8217;t feel comfortable assigning tasks to him that required any subjective interpretation. I finally asked for a replacement. Brickwork has said they will honor my request. <strong>Update (11/14/2008):</strong> Brickwork honored my request for a replacement, and made the transition pretty quickly. After a couple months working with my third Brickwork Virtual Assistant, my faith in the business is somewhat restored. This latest assistant is, like my firsts, eager to learn, a fast worker, responsive, and overall a pretty good communicator. The most important thing is that we are able to assign her tasks with clear instructions, and she follows those instructions.</p><p>Some of the tasks I have had my Brickwork VA work on have been a little more technical in nature, compared to the &#8216;Basic Services&#8217; tasks listed above. Often I have them reseearch specific business topics, and publish summaries of their research using a Joomla or WordPress Content Management System (CMS). Other tasks involve creating or formatting spreadsheets, creating reports based on spreadsheet data, and very basic website content editing. By contrast, another virtual assistant firm, <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/17/virtual-assistants-get-friday-review/">Get Friday</a> just told me straight up that their virtual assistant could not perform these types of tasks. <strong>Update (6/30/2008): </strong>I no longer have my Brickwork VA do research tasks &#8211; he can only perform the most basic website content updating tasks. <strong>Update (11/4/2008):</strong> Well, it depends on who you are assigned as an assistant. My third assistant is more competent than my second, and I&#8217;m now assigning her most of the same types of tasks as I described above.</p><p>Although my [first] Brickwork VA didn&#8217;t initially have experience with Joomla or WordPress, she seemed to be genuinely interested in learning. Just like when you hire an inexperienced employee, you have to be patient and hands-on in the beginning, and hope they pick it up and run with it. Luckily that&#8217;s what happened for me. Once she was comfortable with the types of projects and tasks I assigned to her, she became largely independent. When she needed help with something she would aske me directly first &#8211; and if I couldn&#8217;t answer the question she was good about checking with her other Brickwork team members for resolutions. <strong>Update (6/30/2008): </strong>My current Brickwork VA is still pretty independent, but the tasks have to be very well defined, and I&#8217;m a bit more constrained as to the types of work I can give him. Basic, repetitive tasks are best. Tasks that require creative solutions sometimes generate disappointing, sometimes surprising, results. <strong>Update (11/4/2008):</strong> Again, my third virtual assistant has been performing higher quality work than the second one, who she replaced.</p><p><strong>Communications:</strong> At first I communicated with my [first] Brickwork VA pretty regularly via e-mail, instant messenger, and the occasional Skype phone call. There&#8217;s definitely a language barrier, but I&#8217;ve been pleasantly surprised with the quality of communications, both oral and written. As she became more experienced with my tasks, daily communication was no longer necessary. For a while I just e-mailed her tasks on the fly, and she would reply to each e-mail when it was completed. But I implemented a different <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/02/29/basic-project-management-tools-zoho-projects-vs-basecamp/">method of managing the tasks</a>, which has really reduced the time I spend managing the relationship. <strong>Update (6/30/2008): </strong>My [second] virtual assistant also communicates ok via Skype and e-mail, but his business acumen isn&#8217;t quite as developed. Basic follow-up is a weak point&#8230;but he&#8217;s getting better. <strong>Update (6/30/2008):</strong> The third assistant has better communication skills than the second. She is proactive and asks questions, whereas the second VA would perform a task first; ask questions later.</p><p><strong>Work Schedule:</strong> Because my Brickwork VAs&#8217; works from about 7:00am to 3:00pm (<a
href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=438" target="_blank">Bangalore time</a>), they&#8217;re starting her day around the same time I&#8217;m finishing mine (I&#8217;m in California (<a
href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=224" target="_blank">US Pacific Time Zone</a>)). This does mean that they finish their work while I&#8217;m sleeping &#8211; but it also means that we are unavailable to clarify task instructions during their work day. So, the time we use to discuss task instructions is usually my late evening (8:00 pm to 12:00 midnight) &#8211; which is sometimes a bit of a pain. But as I said above, the days of daily live communications between my Brickwork VA and I are done, and I don&#8217;t commit much of my evening time to task clarifications anymore. Note: some <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/11/reviews-of-virtual-assistant-firms-and-other-resources-for-outsourcing/">other firms&#8217; VA&#8217;s</a> (like <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/17/virtual-assistants-get-friday-review/">Get Friday</a>) will work during your business hours.</p><h3>Overall Rating: <span
style="text-decoration: line-through;">4.5 out of 5<br
/> </span>(Update 6/30/2008): 4 out of 5</h3><ul><li><strong>Pro&#8217;s: </strong><ul><li>Flexibility, in terms of the types of tasks willing and able to perform</li><li>Ability of VA to adopt my own <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/02/29/basic-project-management-tools-zoho-projects-vs-basecamp/">method of project and task management</a> (like <a
href="http://www.basecampHQ.com/?referrer=JEREMYREITHER">Basecamp</a>)</li><li>Generally quick and accurate communications</li><li>Relatively smooth transitions in case of one virtual assistant leaving the firm, or another being replaced by request</li></ul></li><li><strong>Con&#8217;s: </strong><ul><li>Payment methods available are not ideal (I&#8217;d prefer regular credit card billing)</li><li>&#8220;Use it or lose it&#8221; time. You pay for the hours committed whether you keep your VA busy or not.</li><li>I wish that they had a better way of tracking time spent on tasks. Monthly invoice gives no such detail. <em><strong>Update (6/30/2008): </strong>For the past two months I&#8217;ve been receiving a monthly task breakdown summary, which does help me account for time spent.</em></li><li>Cost is not that competitive. At $15, or even $12.50/hr the cost is probably not all that much less than what you might be able to pay a US college student to do the same kind of work.</li><li>The evening hours work schedule can take getting used to</li></ul></li></ul><p>Also see our other <a
href="http://www.r3r.com/2008/03/11/reviews-of-virtual-assistant-firms-and-other-resources-for-outsourcing/">Reviews of Virtual Assistant Firms</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://r3r.com/blog/2008/virtual-assistants-brickwork-india-review/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>12</slash:comments> </item> </channel> </rss>
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